Cameras, Lenses and Accessories

**Ogofmole** · #1 (**permalink**) 18-06-2009, 19:00

We all know that Full Frame cameras has a bigger sensor which is great for lack of noise at higher ISO settings, but we lose out on the focal length of our Lens that we have been used too, which is not good news for our nature and sports photography. So for this type of photography do you think it is better to stay with a Cropped Sensor camera which will give us 1.4 or 1.6 crop factor OR will we get better results using Full Frame and a 1.4 teleconverter for the times that we need that extra reach from our lens.

Mello · #2 (**permalink**) 18-06-2009, 19:36

Personally i don't have any issues with a cropped sensor,but saying that the only reason i do not have a full frame camera is because i can't afford one!!!

**Ogofmole** · #3 (**permalink**) 18-06-2009, 19:57

Well I will probably be buying another body later this year, but have not decided if to go for a D300 or D700. I know there is talk of a D400 and D750, but reviews on both D300 and D700 are very good. But I do like the idea of being able to use high ISO settings to capture action under poor lighting conditions, but I also like the extra reach of my lens using a cropped sensor plus the D300 is suppose to be better than the D200 for noise. Decisions, Decisions, Decisions.

**grezmel** · #4 (**permalink**) 18-06-2009, 21:28

Get a Canon LOL

Using standard ISO settings in daylight is there much difference in pic quality between full frame & cropped (say x 1.6)?.

I find my cropped sensor has better high speed shooting speeds.

Surely a full frame camera will also need better lenses to get the full benefit ?

**cyclone** · #5 (**permalink**) 18-06-2009, 21:44

Something I have realised and it's difficult to get your head around.
The crop factor argument is NOT a simple conversion factor of 1.5x or whatever.
The reason for this is when you look at the image at 100% the megapixel count comes into play, so you don't necessarily have 1.5x the zoom at 100% although you do in the viewfinder.

That brings us to the D300, it has 14MP vs 12MP from the D3/D700. In bright light with the same lens, the D300 will win for birds in particular. When noise becomes a factor as the light drops, there will be a crossover point where the 12MP FX sensor becomes more effective as the DX sensor will lose detail to noise.
For sports, if your glass can fill the viewfinder with the subject then the FX will win hands down, for a few reasons.

**Tco** · #6 (**permalink**) 19-06-2009, 07:47

Mate I thought the d300 only had 12.3 Mp? Where did you get 14 Mp from?

**Ogofmole** · #7 (**permalink**) 19-06-2009, 14:42

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Originally Posted by Tco

Mate I thought the d300 only had 12.3 Mp? Where did you get 14 Mp from?

You are correct D300 = 12.3MP and D700 = 12.1MP. But still can't decide which way to go

**Tco** · #8 (**permalink**) 19-06-2009, 14:48

Barry despite the vignetting and the unwanted dust AND the slower focus response. I PREFER NIKON!!! there!!! I said it!!
The d700's and the D3 (used one for a while) focus more accurately and metering is loads better too. Full frame is nice to have back too.

I am a canon traitor/deserter whatever. Sod 'em. QC is utter crap and hence made a choice to move. I'll stop there as this is a subject for another thread....THE THREAD!!! HEHEHEHEH

**Ogofmole** · #9 (**permalink**) 19-06-2009, 15:19

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Originally Posted by tco

i prefer nikon!!! There!!! I said it!!

What more can I say

**Eos1nrs** · #10 (**permalink**) 19-06-2009, 16:20

full frame or cropped..? but for what reason....you can achieve the same with either, you just have the difference in end file size...cropped sensors are the choice of pro-sumer cameras but by next year or 2011 even amateur cameras will be full frame...

the downside of full frame is if you are coming from a cropped sensor..we use a D2x, we will be getting the D3x soon although i have had reports the files are difficult to handle (from a wedding tog who shoots way too much prob)..however we would also have to change our lens, which, therein lies the problem..its not just the cost of a camera but a grand for a lens too..

the debate of N vs C will live on till the day i push up daisies....i have achieved Master Photographer status with the MPA with a nikon and i have photographed the Queen with a canon...both parties were happy...so whats the point of debating it??